And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:
them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one
fold, and one shepherd
I once thought this was “the others” with the blood
of Adam UNTIL I met Eli and Joel. Joel is a man of humble heart and just
kept saying there were the Elohim and everyone else. Later at dinner Joel
took a napkin and folded it into “folds”.
Since then Eli taught me the two stick prophecy
(Ezekiel 37.16). Along with Jer 31.31.
Here we have those Jesus was speaking to – the
Sheep of Israel living in Judea, and the majority of the Isaac Son’s DISPERSED
in many nations. TWO FOLDS. You can also think of this as the
division between the Northern house “ISRAEL” and the southern house (Judah and
Benjamin). In Either case – I am now certain this is what Jesus was
talking about.
Having said that the one leg a few of the “others”
have to stand on is called the “Broken Cistern”. Here we have Male
Adamites mixing in w other nations. The offspring (at least first
generation – Bible says could go 10 generations (Deut 23.2) would have the
BLOOD of Adam. I call these “Wild” olive branches. WILD by
Phenotype, Natural by BLOOD KIND. It is my contention God places a
few of the less rebellious angel souls into these Temples.
– The one question that I get stumped on is the 6
days of creation. And evening and morning were the first day…
I have a way w Quantum Physics to explain this and I KNOW day meant Yom or Age,
but it is hard to debate.
The professor
Pastor Eli James´s answer.
To get a complete
understanding of Genesis 1, we have to start with the concept of Yowm,
the Hebrew word translated as “day” in Genesis 1. It is true that this
word is usually meant to designate a 24-hour day, but this is
not always the case. We find that, in Scripture, the Hebrew word yowm has
exactly the same range of meanings as the English word day has.
The meanings of both words range from a 24-hour day to an unspecified length of
great age, as represented by the English words, eon and era.
While it is often difficult for the amateur to recognize the origin of English
words from the Hebrew mother tongue because the two languages seem to be so
different. However, the connection between aeon or eon and yom (Strong's yowm)
is not so difficult to understand since the sounds are very similar. Therefore,
the translation of yowm in the Genesis 1 passages to aeon is also a good
choice. We did not use this choice in the body of our discussion since eon or
aeon do not appear in the King James Versions and Strong's. - “The Days of
Genesis,” http://www.accuracyingenesis.com/day.html
The quoted article cites a wealth of Scripture which backs up the fact that the
Hebrew word yowm cannot be arbitrarily assumed to mean a 24
hour-day. But this is what the Creationists do, without any
justification. Assertions are not facts. Creationism is based
on numerous false assumptions about Scripture, all of which conflict with
natural history. The reason they conflict with natural history is because
these creationists do not care to consider the alternative meanings of the
relevant Hebrew words. Their refusal to consider these alternative meanings
proves that they are only interested in promoting a particular dogma.
There is simply no doubt that, when we speak of “days” in Genesis 1, we are
speaking of eons, not literal 24-hour days, especially since G1 does
not record the sun and stars appearing in the sky until the fourth day.
Concerning the first three “days” of G1, how can anyone speak of a
literal 24-hour day when there is literally no sunlight?
The root meaning of the word yowm is “to be hot,”
meaning the heat of the day caused by sunlight. The more we consider the
meanings of the Hebrew words, the more we realize that the creationist
interpretation is contradicted by the Hebrew.
Bible skeptics have asked the question: “How can there be an evening and a
morning if there is no sun to set and rise?” Good question!!
The fact is that, since it was discovered that the earth goes around the sun,
not vice versa, many theologians have argued that the days of Genesis 1 are not
literal.
{For those interested in a scholarly debate about this fourth day, here two
good articles: http://www.reasons.org/resources/non-staff-papers/greg-moore-does-old-earth-creationism-contradict-genesis-1 ; http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/genesis.htm }
THE EVENING AND THE MORNING
The fact is that the KJV
was translated by scholars who had little or no scientific knowledge. It
follows that any passages of Scripture that deal with natural history could not
possibly be translated by them, except from the perspective of 17th Century
knowledge. Likewise, the KJV translators were very poor at understanding
the Hebrew idioms that cannot be translated literally. I have
demonstrated this fact in my book, The Great Impersonation, and in
many other writings.
The next author makes the point, which I have often enunciated, that the
translator’s first job is to translate, not EDITORIALIZE or interpret.
Regarding the poor quality of the KJV translation, this author states,
Beautiful
English is not so good, if it gives us only an approximation to the original
(and that not a close one), as a rougher and less polished English,
which gives the original as nearly as possible as it stands. Moreover, the
change in the mode of presenting the matter to be communicated is a serious
change, and without warrant.
When I read from Genesis i.
to ii. 3 in the English Bible, I am as one listening to a narration; when I
read the same portion in Hebrew, I am as one in the presence of God, the living
God in action…
Our authorized version, with its many words which have changed
their meaning (some of them altogether) since it was written; with its many
italic words, put in to make it like English; with its want of uniformity as to
the use of the same word in English for the same word in the original (this
last because of the king’s order, and with the view of showing the largeness of
the English vocabulary, &c. &c.), is still (all that notwithstanding) a
precious gift from God to the English people. But if it led the way, faith
would follow on, through grace, to something better.
- George V.
Wigram, Examination of the Hebrew Bible as to the Structure and
Idiom of the Language.
Most translators, especially creationists, treat the concept of “day” and
“evening and morning” in G1as literal. This literal interpretation has
led to enormous contradictions with established science that cannot be
reconciled. The problem is in the translations and the
interpretations. The problem does not lie in the Hebrew.
If we make the effort choose the alternative Hebrew meanings of words to fit
the context, then we find that there is no contradiction with natural science.
Just as with the word yowm, the expression, evening and
morning can have a non-literal meaning. After having researched
this subject probably more than any other Bible scholar – certainly in terms of
trying to reconcile the Bible with natural history – I have concluded that this
expression, “the evening and the morning” is an idiom which describes
a phase. Thus, day 1 is phase 1, day 2 is phase 2, etc.
This is not
just idle speculation on my part. Some Hebrew scholars have suggested the
same idea:
Some
claim yôm attached to a number (i.e., ordinal, “first, second, third,” etc.)
requires a 24-hour-day interpretation. However, Bible scholars dispute that.
For example, noted Hebrew scholar Gleason L. Archer states the ordinal
simply defines a symbolic unit of time and “serves as no real evidence for a
literal 24 hour day concept on the part of the Biblical author.” Archer
also points out that the days of creation do not bear a definite
article in Hebrew (i.e., “the first day,” “the second day,” etc.). He
states, “In Hebrew prose of this genre, the definite article was generally used
where the noun was intended to be definite... Thus they [the days of
creation] are well adapted to a sequential pattern, rather than to strictly
delimited units of time. - The Days of Creation:
A Closer Look at Scripture, by Jon W. Greene
A Closer Look at Scripture, by Jon W. Greene
Genesis 1 describes a sequence of phases of indeterminate length.
The idea is similar to that of sowing and reaping, or beginning a project at a
specific time and allowing the process to complete itself, like baking a
cake. The dough needs so much time to thoroughly bake before it can be
taken out of the oven, cool off, spread the frosting on, and finally serve it
to the guests. Gathering the ingredients for the dough is the beginning
of the phase. The phase ends with a decorated cake. This expression
must be seen in the light of the Hebrew expression, “go out and come in”
(Deut. 31:2 and 2 Chron. 1:10), which means “one’s daily activities,” or “one’s
daily routine.”
In the case of Moses, it literally means, “I can no
longer perform my every day duties as the leader of the children of Israel.”
Rather than take this expression, which I will call EM (acronym of “evening
and morning”), as referring to any kind of literal evening or morning, EM
must be taken to mean “beginning and ending,” or duration of a
particular phase, from its inception to its completion. Since there was
no sunlight until the fourth “day,” the first three evenings and mornings
cannot possibly be literal!
Certainly, there could not have been
a setting or rising sun, by which these terms are defined! And this
would suggest that the other seven days are not literal either. From this
perspective, the imposition of the idea of 24-hour days is completely
wrong. It was an editorial decision made by an editorial board that was
not qualified to make such decisions.
Here is a commentary that shares my views on this expression, which will
demonstrate that EM should not be taken literally.
That
the Hebrew word for "day," yom, can mean a period of time other than
24 hours is abundantly evident. In Genesis 2:4 we read, "In the
day that the Lord god made the earth and heavens..." (RSV). "Day"
here refers to all the creations days, whatever we believe about their length.
In fact, any student of Scripture can find at least nine meanings of yom.
(Perhaps the easiest way is to use a computerized word search.) While it does
most often refer to a 24-hour period, it is also used to mean time, today,
forever, continually, an age, a life span, and perpetuity.
Perhaps the greatest obstacle to acceptance of the six creation days as long
epochs is the "evening and morning" refrain framing each day's
creation events. In fact, I have often seen it argued in creationist literature
that this expression seals the case for a 24-hour interpretation. But
the argument simply does not hold, and the basis for my statement is the Bible
itself, not some obscure linguistic reference.
"Evening and morning" is an idiomatic expression in Semitic
languages. Like all idioms, its meaning is nonliteral but
clearly understood by native speakers. The phrase "evening and
morning" can, like yom, denote a long and indefinite period. The Old
Testament itself unambiguously uses the "evening and morning" phrase
in just such a way. In Daniel 8 we read the account of Daniel's ram and goat
vision and the interpretation given by Gabriel. The vision covers many years;
some commentators believe the time has not yet been completed. Daniel 8:26
says, "The vision of the evenings and the mornings that have been given to
you is true, but seal up the vision for it concerns the distant future"
(RSV).
In Hebrew manuscripts, "the evenings and mornings," is
not in the plural but in the singular, identical to the expression we find in
Genesis 1. Translated literally, the verse would read, "And
the vision of the evening and the morning that has been given
you." Here we have a clear indication from scriptural usage that
this phrase does not demand a 24-hour-day interpretation and can refer to an
indefinite epoch.
YOWM
To get a complete
understanding of Genesis 1, we have to start with the concept of Yowm,
the Hebrew word translated as “day” in Genesis 1. It is true that this
word is usually meant to designate a 24-hour day, but this is
not always the case. We find that, in Scripture, the Hebrew word yowm has
exactly the same range of meanings as the English word day has.
The meanings of both words range from a 24-hour day to an unspecified length of
great age, as represented by the English words, eon and era.
While it is often difficult for the amateur to recognize the origin of English
words from the Hebrew mother tongue because the two languages seem to be so
different. However, the connection between aeon or eon and yom (Strong's yowm)
is not so difficult to understand since the sounds are very similar. Therefore,
the translation of yowm in the Genesis 1 passages to aeon is also a good
choice. We did not use this choice in the body of our discussion since eon or
aeon do not appear in the King James Versions and Strong's. - “The Days of
Genesis,” http://www.accuracyingenesis.com/day.html
Notes from Loren Pedersen:
Each "day" of the Creation Story begins
in darkness and ends in light.
The "darkness" of each "day"
originates from the darkness/death/destruction/chaos found in Gen 1:2, which is
as a consequence of the Luciferian Rebellion and the Angel Wars, also known as
the "Gap Theory", which is not theory, but fact, provable by a deep analysis
of Scripture.
The "light" of each "day"
originates from the "Light" spoken forth by God into Lucifer's and
the fallen angel's darkness. "Let there be Light!", as God spoke
forth on Day (Age) One.
And what did God do next, after He had
"spoken" forth His Light into the darkness?
"God saw that the light was good; and God
SEPARATED the light from the darkness."
The word "separate" in this context, as
well as in the following Days (Ages), denotes JUDGMENT!
During the first Age (Day One), God JUDGED both His
Light and Lucifer's/fallen angel's darkness, and found His Light to be indeed
superior. And then He SEPARATED His Light from Lucifer's darkness.
In a sense, God then placed, from Day/Age One
through Day/Age Six - the Six Ages of Restoration - that which
had "fallen" into a "sandbox" existence, so that the
"contagion" of sin, rebellion, death, destruction, chaos would be
"contained" and could not affect/impact the unfallen 2/3rds of Creation
still loyal unto God.
This fallen 1/3 of Creation, this
"sandbox", has an "expiration date" affixed to it, as
detailed towards the end of Revelation.
In spite of all the alternate timelines and
alternate realities generated by the enemy since their initial "war in the
heavens" eons ago, they will all comes to an END at the final judgment!
when this fallen 1/3 will be judged completely!
The Seventh Day (Age) is an overarching "Age
of Grace", that has transpired over thousands of Earth years, if not
longer (millions and billions is not out of the question), but which will
transition directly into the Seventh Seal "wrath of the Lamb of God"!
This fallen 1/3 is the "realm" we exist
in. And this planet Earth is our personal Exodus from out of Egypt, the dark
kingdom by which the souls of Mankind had been held hostage and in bondage to
the dark forces.
Adam and Eve failed in their mission. Which gave
reason for the Second Adam - our literal Elder Brother Jesus, First Born of
many "begottens" who would follow in His Image and Likeness - to come
directly into this fallen 1/3 and rescue us from our fallen state.
It was and is God's will for each of us to have our
own free will. But with our own free will comes the responsibility to accept
and follow our Elder Brother - the Author and Finisher of our faith, as well as
Creator of our Predestined Eternal Destinies from the time before Creation
itself ..
or to follow the one who offers truth, but delivers
eternal lies; who offers freedom, but delivers eternal bondage; who offers
light, but delivers eternal darkness; who offers life, but delivers eternal
death.
Choose this day (age) whom you will serve!
The choice is crystal clear. Choose Jesus!
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So my Spanish isn't good enough to reply, and it would take me more than one rotation of the earth or day to, by my own capabilities, to translate my thoughts in any other language than English. So I hope you get my point of how long a day is!
ResponderBorrarSo my Spanish is not good enough for me to translate my thoughts in less than one rotation of the earth, thus I will make my point in English. From day 1 God said there was evening and morning for each day.
ResponderBorrarGen 1:3-5 Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. (4) And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. (5) God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:14-19 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; (15) and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so. (16) Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. (17) God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, (18) and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. (19) So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
By day 4 He established the Greater Light to rule the day, which we understand to be one rotation of the earth. And since there is no other word used in Genesis 1 for day (yom) and since Scripture interprets Scripture, no eisegesis allowed, day in Genesis is what God calls a 'normal' day, what we have understood for all of recorded history as one rotation of the earth before the Great Light. Glory be to God for His sufficient Word!